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In the study you cite about energy transfer from fat (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15615615/), the data analyzed comes from Ancel Keys' 1950 Starvation study, where participants were fed approx. 1567kcal (6.56MJ/d), the measured outcome was that approx 290kJ/Kg/d (69.3kcal/Kg/d) is the "maximum possible fat oxidation rate", however, isn't that just the body lowering it's metabolism, and compensating with the few FFA it can extract from the fat cells? While I can't find exact figures on this experiment, a quick google search tells me "the starvation diet reflecting that experienced in the war-torn areas of Europe, i.e., potatoes, turnips, rutabagas, dark bread, and macaroni." (https://jn.nutrition.org/article/S0022-3166(22)10249-X/fulltext), so wouldn't the high insulin prevent Hormone-Sensitive Lipase from breaking down stored FFA? (Note that this last link contradicts the study, as it says they were fed 1800kcal)

Just as a note, the part where this study is cited probably could use a bit of disambiguation, as that study is not related to water fasting, but a severely hypo-caloric diet.

At best, this study shows the maximum fat oxidation rate when you're in a major calorie deficit, and mostly eating carbs.

However, in the study linked below, fat adapted athletes burned between 1.3 to 2 grams of fat per minute, which (while an exaggeration) would be approx. 78 to 120 grams per hour, or approx. 708 - 1080 kcal per hour, clearly beyond what the previous study claims. Now, sure, they probably have a decent amount of this fat as Chylomicrons floating around, but they ran for 25 Km total in their longest run, even Eulid Kipchoge can't do that within an hour. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32358802/#&gid=article-figures&pid=figure-2-uid-1)

So burning 2800kcal per day from body fat (like you say on your figure, "lol ya right") does not sound impossible, Extended fasting does lower BMR, however I don't think it's so black and white.

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"Eating less will cause weight loss (not if ΔCI < ΔCO)"

Delta values are absolute, so they can denote change in both directions: a small decrease in CI and a large increase in CO can be described as ΔCI < ΔCO, while causing weightloss. You probably meant small decrease CI + large decrease CO and then this is true for gaining weight, but better to write that down as CI > CO! (or specify that you mean decreasing deltas for both)

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