We have George Burr's total fat depletion experiment from back in the day, where a guy went from 4% to 2% LA in about six months as I remember.
That seems to be about the best case for 'just let it deplete naturally'.
I'm currently experimenting with deliberate yo-yoing, since it seems easy to lose quite a lot of weight (ex150 variants and to be honest just about any low-protein diet seems to work) and equally easy to put it back on again (eat normally, or go visit Mum if I want to put it back on really really fast).
But *if* LA percentage stays constant when you lose weight, as seems plausible, this should dilute it fairly quickly, I hope.
I’ve been doing ex150 entirely with liquid heavy cream in coffee since the beginning. Mostly out of convenience, since I didn’t want to spend time whipping cream. I just made a rough 50/50 mix of cream and cold brew. The satiety is definitely there, though I do wonder if whipped cream would feel any different.
I’ve also been traveling this year (Mexico and Spain), and the availability of high-fat dairy really depends on the country. Heavy cream was often hard to find, or at least hard to find a version I trusted. Eating out keto-style wasn’t too difficult, but the small grocery stores mostly stocked shelf-stable boxed dairy with additives. Even finding full-fat yogurt without extras was nearly impossible. I ended up relying on coconut oil or butter instead.
The brand "Anthony's" has powdered heavy cream without additives and would theoretically be great for travel, but I'm scared traveling internationally with a bag of white power.
I have traveled with large bags of white powder, and they definitely attract scrutiny. Typically they don't have any issues if the original packaging makes it obvious that it's just protein powder or whatever, but if you were to put it into nondescript baggies..
Ha, sorry I was busy with that project I mention in the post ;) And physical labor DOES wipe me out.. at the end of the day I don't want to sit and type, just hang out and do nothing.
For most lunches, I still have some form of peasant stew. Veggies, legumes, and spices. Sometimes, I throw in a GF-grain. Always in the Instant Pot. Cheap and filling. I also eat soups and stews more slowly due to the heat. I think that helps a bit.
I am currently working my way through the first 25% of said stew (mine has 2/3lb of ground beef and a bit of butter, leftovers I had).
One big thing, I think: if your appetite is broken and you're constantly eating, eating a large volume of watery stew mostly made of non-caloric plant material will prevent you from overeating. It's just a ton of volume.
I would argue that doesn't solve your broken metabolism, and I can get "to satiety" eating low-volume foods with high caloric density like heavy cream.
But hey, this might just work, too. Plus, if you do it right (no PUFAs) it should help improve your metabolism in the long run.
How much protein or fat do you think such a stew can take before it stops "working?" I added 2/3lb of 80/20 ground beef, and 2 thick slices of butter (maybe 30g total) for frying the beef and the mushrooms.
I did not add any spices or salt myself, but an entire jar of marinara sauce had spices & salt, and some of the canned beans & lentils also came loaded with sodium.
Any thoughts on sodium on the peasant diet?
And, do you eat this over/with rice? Seems like a great combo.
My sodium tends to be low, but I don't focus on it.
Fiber probably plays a role as well for my own satiety. Sometimes I pair the stew with rice (brown or white), quinoa, or buckwheat. I mostly used dried beans, which I buy in bulk. I soak and drain out of habit, but with the Instant Pot, that may not be needed for most people. I don't soak lentils.
I don't add additional fat to my stews. Canned tomatoes are also a staple.
With no meat and no added fats, yours would be nearly fat free, I suppose? Except what's in the brown rice/quinoa if you have those.
I am thinking that, one day, I will do a longer (3-6 month?) peasant diet style experiment. It just seems that VLF diets could be quite effective at reducing adipose linoleic acid, but only doing a month at a time might not be enough to have a huge effect.
Since it also takes some time to get adapted to high fiber etc., just doing it for a month also likely wouldn't yield all the benefits, by the time I adapted it'd be almost over.
I wouldn't do brown rice or quinoa cause those are relatively high in PUFA. Meat wise, I'd likely just stick to meat. Not sure if lean or fatty or if that makes a difference, and might not add butter. Maybe eggs once in a while, I do think they're a perfect "peasant food" cause chickens are easy to keep, but I haven't exactly been eating many the last few years, or craving them much. I probably have less than 1 egg a month these days on average, lol.
Just saw that you mention bloating from beans in your peasant diet post, is that still the case? I have this with potatoes, but I wonder if I'd get used to it by easing into it, and not going 100% potato diet cold turkey.
We have George Burr's total fat depletion experiment from back in the day, where a guy went from 4% to 2% LA in about six months as I remember.
That seems to be about the best case for 'just let it deplete naturally'.
I'm currently experimenting with deliberate yo-yoing, since it seems easy to lose quite a lot of weight (ex150 variants and to be honest just about any low-protein diet seems to work) and equally easy to put it back on again (eat normally, or go visit Mum if I want to put it back on really really fast).
But *if* LA percentage stays constant when you lose weight, as seems plausible, this should dilute it fairly quickly, I hope.
We shall see. Or rather, we won't, since you haven't done a single OmegaQuant Complete.
What I expect to see is my set point coming down. I.e. every fall and rise stabilizes at a lower point.
That'd be great, but we'd have more information if we also saw the proxy/perpetrator (LA%) go down.
I’ve been doing ex150 entirely with liquid heavy cream in coffee since the beginning. Mostly out of convenience, since I didn’t want to spend time whipping cream. I just made a rough 50/50 mix of cream and cold brew. The satiety is definitely there, though I do wonder if whipped cream would feel any different.
I’ve also been traveling this year (Mexico and Spain), and the availability of high-fat dairy really depends on the country. Heavy cream was often hard to find, or at least hard to find a version I trusted. Eating out keto-style wasn’t too difficult, but the small grocery stores mostly stocked shelf-stable boxed dairy with additives. Even finding full-fat yogurt without extras was nearly impossible. I ended up relying on coconut oil or butter instead.
The brand "Anthony's" has powdered heavy cream without additives and would theoretically be great for travel, but I'm scared traveling internationally with a bag of white power.
I have traveled with large bags of white powder, and they definitely attract scrutiny. Typically they don't have any issues if the original packaging makes it obvious that it's just protein powder or whatever, but if you were to put it into nondescript baggies..
Good to see a post from you again!
Ha, sorry I was busy with that project I mention in the post ;) And physical labor DOES wipe me out.. at the end of the day I don't want to sit and type, just hang out and do nothing.
For most lunches, I still have some form of peasant stew. Veggies, legumes, and spices. Sometimes, I throw in a GF-grain. Always in the Instant Pot. Cheap and filling. I also eat soups and stews more slowly due to the heat. I think that helps a bit.
I am currently working my way through the first 25% of said stew (mine has 2/3lb of ground beef and a bit of butter, leftovers I had).
One big thing, I think: if your appetite is broken and you're constantly eating, eating a large volume of watery stew mostly made of non-caloric plant material will prevent you from overeating. It's just a ton of volume.
I would argue that doesn't solve your broken metabolism, and I can get "to satiety" eating low-volume foods with high caloric density like heavy cream.
But hey, this might just work, too. Plus, if you do it right (no PUFAs) it should help improve your metabolism in the long run.
How much protein or fat do you think such a stew can take before it stops "working?" I added 2/3lb of 80/20 ground beef, and 2 thick slices of butter (maybe 30g total) for frying the beef and the mushrooms.
I did not add any spices or salt myself, but an entire jar of marinara sauce had spices & salt, and some of the canned beans & lentils also came loaded with sodium.
Any thoughts on sodium on the peasant diet?
And, do you eat this over/with rice? Seems like a great combo.
My sodium tends to be low, but I don't focus on it.
Fiber probably plays a role as well for my own satiety. Sometimes I pair the stew with rice (brown or white), quinoa, or buckwheat. I mostly used dried beans, which I buy in bulk. I soak and drain out of habit, but with the Instant Pot, that may not be needed for most people. I don't soak lentils.
I don't add additional fat to my stews. Canned tomatoes are also a staple.
With no meat and no added fats, yours would be nearly fat free, I suppose? Except what's in the brown rice/quinoa if you have those.
I am thinking that, one day, I will do a longer (3-6 month?) peasant diet style experiment. It just seems that VLF diets could be quite effective at reducing adipose linoleic acid, but only doing a month at a time might not be enough to have a huge effect.
Since it also takes some time to get adapted to high fiber etc., just doing it for a month also likely wouldn't yield all the benefits, by the time I adapted it'd be almost over.
I wouldn't do brown rice or quinoa cause those are relatively high in PUFA. Meat wise, I'd likely just stick to meat. Not sure if lean or fatty or if that makes a difference, and might not add butter. Maybe eggs once in a while, I do think they're a perfect "peasant food" cause chickens are easy to keep, but I haven't exactly been eating many the last few years, or craving them much. I probably have less than 1 egg a month these days on average, lol.
Just saw that you mention bloating from beans in your peasant diet post, is that still the case? I have this with potatoes, but I wonder if I'd get used to it by easing into it, and not going 100% potato diet cold turkey.
Yes, my soup is very low-fat. No more bloating.
Black-eyed peas have lower soluble fiber and might be a suitable option.
Potato soups with red lentils pair well.
ACV capsules ARE much easier to take than drinking a glass of diluted ACV. Bleah.
Aren’t a little concerned about programmer when AI coming fast?
Really I don’t much about the programming business. Just reading stuff on the internet propaganda.
You mean that it'll take my job? Yea, maybe. Not super worried but it is quite popular now.
I love the psychological slip towards the beginning: "liquid dream"
Couldn't agree more!
lol, Freud must be churning in his grave!