I'm wondering if you have a record of how much cream she "usually" consumed daily? I've tried quite a bit of heavy cream and have never experienced that cement truck satiety you mention, I could keep eating more, but perhaps I'm just not eating enough? Also any temperature data?
I cured my lactose intolerance by drinking milk every day with Lactaid tablets and slowly dialing back the Lactaid until I no longer needed it. In three weeks I was able to drink half a gallon of milk a day with zero Lactaid and zero symptoms.
By the way, can you give me a little preview breakdown of what ex150suet would look like? I'd love to try before you formalize it. And also, is tallow preferred?
My idea is basically that the main meal stays exactly the same (you can cook it in tallow if you want, I did for 2 months, but like butter better).
And then fry up chopped suet for lunch and eat ad lib of that. I haven't actually tried fried suet, so maybe it's super unpalatable, but many carnivores on Twitter seem to like it.
I don't think I could eat much tallow. Even a full bite of butter makes me gag from the fat. Cocoa butter/tallow I can't even do a small teaspoon. So I think I'd need something more palatable that isn't pure fat.
I’ll have to look for a place to get suet. In the meanwhile, I don’t have any problem keeping down tallow so I can just have that as my “ad lib” fat. If anything, I enjoy tallow too much. I’ve binged on tallow, (in conjunction with fruit), and ended up getting fat
A few questions:
1. Is Greek yogurt too sweet to count as ex150 low carb?
2. Have you confirmed your position one way or another on whether one needs green vegetable fiber to stay in ketosis since the original post? (You’d updated the post to say ppl disagreed with you, but not whether you’d gone back and yourself taken a final position). As it happens I don’t enjoy or tolerate veggies. I do like fruit but I would rather lose weight and maintain that loss
3. Let’s assume 85% ground beef is one’s protein on ex150tallow. Does ex150 call for
A. 150g/5.25oz of meat (30g protein)?
Or
B. 150g of protein (26oz of meat)?
150g of protein is a lot of meat, hardly low protein, especially for one meal
The reason this is important is to maintain or grow muscle while going to the gym, you need ~1g of protein per lb of body weight. So if I’m 150lbs let’s say, then I’d need quite a lot of ground beef to not lose my muscle mass while dieting. Which conflicts with the low protein premise of any ex150 diet. How do you square this circle?
Oh wow, I can't even eat a teaspoon of tallow :D And I thought I liked fat.. but if you can tolerate it, go for it?
1. I think yogurt in general is too high in carbs and too high in protein. Yogurt is maybe my #1 negative-satiety food, along with cheese. I can eat a whole pound of yogurt and be hungrier than before. So I'd stay away from it for ex150 purposes.
2. I have refuted that hypothesis: https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/ex150sardines-mod-review-non-24-stayed. Turned out all the old-school carnivores were right, and I was wrong. So the vegetables are purely for flavor at this point. They help me soak up the tallow, but that doesn't seem to be a problem you have ;)
3. Yea 150g of protein would be quite a bit! That's why it's 150g of meat, which contains about 30g of protein. 80% vs 85% ground beef makes almost no difference in protein (3g or so). I like the flavor of the 80% much better though.
He quotes 0.55 or 0.64 as adequate even for bodybuilders. ex150 is still considerably less than that. But I don't lift weights. If you lift weights, consider upping your protein levels to one of those values (e.g. 0.64g/lb of body mass). If it still works, great! If it doesn't, you might consider pausing your workouts (or going super light?) for a month and going with the super low protein.
This is excellent, I'd love to get started on ex150 tallow, and even would mix it with standard ex150 heavy whipping cream with lactose pills. I just last night bought a bunch of tallow and heavy cream and it's delicious.
My only thought is your enthusiasm has inspired me to have more questions of my own! I have some more comments and questions to add, but wanted to see if you prefer me post them here or if you prefer email. Hopefully my questions can help you refine your message. Let me know, and Happy Fourth!
I'm wondering if you have a record of how much cream she "usually" consumed daily? I've tried quite a bit of heavy cream and have never experienced that cement truck satiety you mention, I could keep eating more, but perhaps I'm just not eating enough? Also any temperature data?
Good question! I asked and she said 1-1.5 cups per day, split between coffee and whipping. I've edited the post to mention this.
Each newsletter makes me more mad I have lactose intolerance. Keep it coming though!
I cured my lactose intolerance by drinking milk every day with Lactaid tablets and slowly dialing back the Lactaid until I no longer needed it. In three weeks I was able to drink half a gallon of milk a day with zero Lactaid and zero symptoms.
How bad were the symptoms in the meanwhile?
Haha I'm hoping to try ex150suet soon ;) Are you beef tolerant?
By the way, can you give me a little preview breakdown of what ex150suet would look like? I'd love to try before you formalize it. And also, is tallow preferred?
My idea is basically that the main meal stays exactly the same (you can cook it in tallow if you want, I did for 2 months, but like butter better).
And then fry up chopped suet for lunch and eat ad lib of that. I haven't actually tried fried suet, so maybe it's super unpalatable, but many carnivores on Twitter seem to like it.
I don't think I could eat much tallow. Even a full bite of butter makes me gag from the fat. Cocoa butter/tallow I can't even do a small teaspoon. So I think I'd need something more palatable that isn't pure fat.
I’ll have to look for a place to get suet. In the meanwhile, I don’t have any problem keeping down tallow so I can just have that as my “ad lib” fat. If anything, I enjoy tallow too much. I’ve binged on tallow, (in conjunction with fruit), and ended up getting fat
A few questions:
1. Is Greek yogurt too sweet to count as ex150 low carb?
2. Have you confirmed your position one way or another on whether one needs green vegetable fiber to stay in ketosis since the original post? (You’d updated the post to say ppl disagreed with you, but not whether you’d gone back and yourself taken a final position). As it happens I don’t enjoy or tolerate veggies. I do like fruit but I would rather lose weight and maintain that loss
3. Let’s assume 85% ground beef is one’s protein on ex150tallow. Does ex150 call for
A. 150g/5.25oz of meat (30g protein)?
Or
B. 150g of protein (26oz of meat)?
150g of protein is a lot of meat, hardly low protein, especially for one meal
The reason this is important is to maintain or grow muscle while going to the gym, you need ~1g of protein per lb of body weight. So if I’m 150lbs let’s say, then I’d need quite a lot of ground beef to not lose my muscle mass while dieting. Which conflicts with the low protein premise of any ex150 diet. How do you square this circle?
Oh wow, I can't even eat a teaspoon of tallow :D And I thought I liked fat.. but if you can tolerate it, go for it?
1. I think yogurt in general is too high in carbs and too high in protein. Yogurt is maybe my #1 negative-satiety food, along with cheese. I can eat a whole pound of yogurt and be hungrier than before. So I'd stay away from it for ex150 purposes.
2. I have refuted that hypothesis: https://exfatloss.substack.com/p/ex150sardines-mod-review-non-24-stayed. Turned out all the old-school carnivores were right, and I was wrong. So the vegetables are purely for flavor at this point. They help me soak up the tallow, but that doesn't seem to be a problem you have ;)
3. Yea 150g of protein would be quite a bit! That's why it's 150g of meat, which contains about 30g of protein. 80% vs 85% ground beef makes almost no difference in protein (3g or so). I like the flavor of the 80% much better though.
You don't actually need 1g of protein/lb of body weight: https://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
He quotes 0.55 or 0.64 as adequate even for bodybuilders. ex150 is still considerably less than that. But I don't lift weights. If you lift weights, consider upping your protein levels to one of those values (e.g. 0.64g/lb of body mass). If it still works, great! If it doesn't, you might consider pausing your workouts (or going super light?) for a month and going with the super low protein.
This is excellent, I'd love to get started on ex150 tallow, and even would mix it with standard ex150 heavy whipping cream with lactose pills. I just last night bought a bunch of tallow and heavy cream and it's delicious.
My only thought is your enthusiasm has inspired me to have more questions of my own! I have some more comments and questions to add, but wanted to see if you prefer me post them here or if you prefer email. Hopefully my questions can help you refine your message. Let me know, and Happy Fourth!
I am! That sounds... amazing. I'm all ears
Have you tried cream? There's not *much* lactose in it.
Not recently. I’m a little reluctant but I could. Is there a common easy way to get raw cream that’s not been pasteurized?
Unfortunately, no. I've looked a bit and you have to go pretty niche to find it :(