It would be neat if you could plug in your estimated calorie expenditure and see the limits for the different regions in number of calories in grams. So if you know you're usually eating about 3000 calories you'd be able to see that a 10% protein limit would be 75g, etc.
Good point yea. Right now all my tools are these disparate little calculators that don't really integrate with each other. I have calorie stuff in another tab in the same app, if you've seen that.
Kind of has upsides and downsides: people don't need to understand/use/care for an entire suite of stuff. On the other hand, it can't link together like would make sense here.
You could add the Optimal Diet (Dr. K): 10% protein, 10% carb, 80% fat. According to him, it was best to have just enough carbs to stay out of ketosis (50 grams or so).
By the way, in light of the original swamp (D.Minger), what do you think about macro- nutrients cycling? that is, splitting carbs from proteins and fat during different times over the day? as the "Honey Diet" (X; Ababology) suggests.
What's interesting, like you mention, is the nutrient cycling. The Hadza diet is very seasonal, and each portion would obviously way different on the triangle.
We aren't exactly sure how long of a cycle time is required for what effects. Surely, if you do a year of low-carb and then a year of low-fat, you'd mostly spend time in the "effect" area of that diet.
But can you swap within the same day? Your blood lipids & protein typically stay elevated for 12-18h, so that makes it difficult. Blood glucose should be gone within 2-4h unless you're diabetic. But maybe those aren't the only things that we require to switch over?
I am interested in what Anabology is trying there. I talked with him and he seems to think that you can only really do carbs in the morning, cause of the 2-4h window. The others take too long, you need the overnight fast.
Unless you did some weird bifocal IF window where you eat a steak at 6am, fast until 10pm, and then eat sugar. But that seems much less practical than just doing it the other way around.
Interesting. I think Anabology is aiming to capitalize on the two extremes of fat percentage. It’s fascinating that you brought up macronutrient cycling on daily and annual scales. What about weekly or even seasonal cycles, as might be expected from tribes like the Hadza?
I really love your triangle diagram and am intrigued by how much insight it provides simply by observing it. I would also suggest including the Maasai tribe (Kenya), who derive a significant portion of their diet from fat and consume cow's blood.
Additionally, how about plotting human breast milk? While it’s not a “chosen” diet, it’s compelling to consider how our physiology designs this as a “perfect” substance for infants’ growth. A quick check suggests it would plot in the swamp area - make sense? Quite interesting!
Do you have a good study w/ macro percentages for the Maasai or breast milk? Happy to add it!
The seasonal thing would be interesting because it would likely lead to (temporally) restricted swamping, even if the averaged numbers look swampy. For example, if you alternated months of keto and months of carbo, you'd be super duper swampy on average, yet would likely have almost no swampy days over time (maybe 1-2 at the beginning of every month, at most).
I think that this is the case with the Hazda, for example. They seem to eat mostly meat 1 season, mostly honey 1 season, and lots of nuts another season (from memory). Meaning they don't swamp that much, even though their average diet is "only" listed as 20/20/60, which isn't thaaaat low-fat nor low-protein. But if they avoid swamping temporally...
It would be neat if you could plug in your estimated calorie expenditure and see the limits for the different regions in number of calories in grams. So if you know you're usually eating about 3000 calories you'd be able to see that a 10% protein limit would be 75g, etc.
Agree, although I don't really know my intake. Hoping to veer around that.
Ast least I could play around with simulated calorie intake .
Good point yea. Right now all my tools are these disparate little calculators that don't really integrate with each other. I have calorie stuff in another tab in the same app, if you've seen that.
Kind of has upsides and downsides: people don't need to understand/use/care for an entire suite of stuff. On the other hand, it can't link together like would make sense here.
Will have to think about it going forward.
You could add the Optimal Diet (Dr. K): 10% protein, 10% carb, 80% fat. According to him, it was best to have just enough carbs to stay out of ketosis (50 grams or so).
Do you have a good source or write up I could link to?
Here is one: https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Optimal_diet.html
Thanks, added! https://macros.exfatloss.com/swamp?diet=optimal
Super interesting! thanks. Would be interested to plot the Hadza diet in that triangle (e.g., https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229084329_Sex_Differences_in_Food_Preferences_of_Hadza_Hunter-Gatherers). Frank allowed and coasters had Hadza tribe members answer questionares on their food preferences and showed a difference corresponding to the gender.
By the way, in light of the original swamp (D.Minger), what do you think about macro- nutrients cycling? that is, splitting carbs from proteins and fat during different times over the day? as the "Honey Diet" (X; Ababology) suggests.
Way ahead of you! https://macros.exfatloss.com/swamp?diet=hadza
What's interesting, like you mention, is the nutrient cycling. The Hadza diet is very seasonal, and each portion would obviously way different on the triangle.
We aren't exactly sure how long of a cycle time is required for what effects. Surely, if you do a year of low-carb and then a year of low-fat, you'd mostly spend time in the "effect" area of that diet.
But can you swap within the same day? Your blood lipids & protein typically stay elevated for 12-18h, so that makes it difficult. Blood glucose should be gone within 2-4h unless you're diabetic. But maybe those aren't the only things that we require to switch over?
I am interested in what Anabology is trying there. I talked with him and he seems to think that you can only really do carbs in the morning, cause of the 2-4h window. The others take too long, you need the overnight fast.
Unless you did some weird bifocal IF window where you eat a steak at 6am, fast until 10pm, and then eat sugar. But that seems much less practical than just doing it the other way around.
Interesting. I think Anabology is aiming to capitalize on the two extremes of fat percentage. It’s fascinating that you brought up macronutrient cycling on daily and annual scales. What about weekly or even seasonal cycles, as might be expected from tribes like the Hadza?
I really love your triangle diagram and am intrigued by how much insight it provides simply by observing it. I would also suggest including the Maasai tribe (Kenya), who derive a significant portion of their diet from fat and consume cow's blood.
Additionally, how about plotting human breast milk? While it’s not a “chosen” diet, it’s compelling to consider how our physiology designs this as a “perfect” substance for infants’ growth. A quick check suggests it would plot in the swamp area - make sense? Quite interesting!
Do you have a good study w/ macro percentages for the Maasai or breast milk? Happy to add it!
The seasonal thing would be interesting because it would likely lead to (temporally) restricted swamping, even if the averaged numbers look swampy. For example, if you alternated months of keto and months of carbo, you'd be super duper swampy on average, yet would likely have almost no swampy days over time (maybe 1-2 at the beginning of every month, at most).
I think that this is the case with the Hazda, for example. They seem to eat mostly meat 1 season, mostly honey 1 season, and lots of nuts another season (from memory). Meaning they don't swamp that much, even though their average diet is "only" listed as 20/20/60, which isn't thaaaat low-fat nor low-protein. But if they avoid swamping temporally...
Fascinating