I seem to tolerate protein pretty well, but the main thing I notice if I eat too much protein is that I'm very thirsty for an hour or two after a meal. If I really over do it, I'll get get hot and sweaty overnight ... but that hasn't happened for ages. Not even sure if I could eat enough protein to get "the meat sweats" anymore! Maybe I should try.
When I was first doing keto, I'd feel kinda weird and gross if I ate a lot of protein (over 200g), but that doesn't seem to happen on strict carnivore. So maybe I adapted to higher protein, or maybe there's something about not having carbs/fibre with protein?
Note I wasn't trying to lose weight, I was trying to get rid of autoimmune symptoms.
If you do super well on it, you might not need to reduce the protein?
Spreading the same protein out over 2 meals vs. combine them in 1, I’m not sure. I’d suspect spread out over 2 might be (slightly) better in terms of protein availability for building tissue? But it might not make a big difference.
If you’re trying to lose weight, yea you could replace 1 meal with heavy cream.
Great summation of your experiences so far. Makes me a little less embarrassed about my diet. Milk and cream in hot cocoa with a little stevia for breakfast followed by starch and a little fatty meat with a couple shreds of veggie for the rest. Was having issues of the scale inching up around menopause till I started reading Peter D of Hyperlipid and Tucker Goodrich and dumped the seed oils and low fat diet in favor of low carb. Dropped the little extra weight I’d been fighting with, no effort required. And the symptoms of hypoglycemia too. And the sunburn virtually disappeared. Yay! 5 years later carbs no longer bothered me and I could relax my diet. Another 8 years later and I eat all macros as desired with no particular effect on my weight. Only common factor is seed oils. Never again. Those things are poison. If I start to wonder if it’s worth the ridiculous hassle at restaurants I remember the sunburn thing and I’m good. But then I was never exactly overweight. Just a little chubby around the middle and hip back in the day. Been better for a long time. I am grateful for how things worked out.
Interesting! Another anecdote that Randle Cycle/swamping issues are caused by seed oils, and should get fixed in the long run.. hope it’ll be the same for me in a few years :)
What a fascinating account! The metabolic system is complex and subtle, and to use the language of engineering, it has many different operating points. I think this is what confuses people the most.
One thing I would add on the tolerance checking is: how well can you tolerate fasting? I personally can fast with no problems, but it seems to me that most people absolutely cannot tolerate missing even one meal. Partly this will be habits of a lifetime, but I do feel they are physiologically not suited to it.
Random question, but how is stool consistency and frequency on your mostly cream diet? I assume output is much lower. Do you still go daily? Did any of your experiments make digestion worse? Curious how they all differed? Thanks!
Pretty great. I go once or twice every day (I don’t exactly count lol) and it’s very small but comes out easy & is pretty firm.
Most things make my digestion worse compared to this, yes. E.g. potatoes and sweet potatoes I can’t seem to digest at all en masse. They just sit in my stomach forever.
High protein eventually gives me constipation and then diarrhea. Same for super high fiber stuff.
my experience is that kicking seed oils firms up stools and makes you go multiple times/day. I think it's common enough that it's a "sunburn-proof" meme-level phenomenon but people don't talk about it as much because ... stools
I can definitively say that my toilet paper consumption has declined by 80+% since kicking seed oils. And I immediately notice if I get “exposed” at a restaurant or to other junk like dough conditioners
You are an inspiration. Thank you.
Thanks!
I seem to tolerate protein pretty well, but the main thing I notice if I eat too much protein is that I'm very thirsty for an hour or two after a meal. If I really over do it, I'll get get hot and sweaty overnight ... but that hasn't happened for ages. Not even sure if I could eat enough protein to get "the meat sweats" anymore! Maybe I should try.
When I was first doing keto, I'd feel kinda weird and gross if I ate a lot of protein (over 200g), but that doesn't seem to happen on strict carnivore. So maybe I adapted to higher protein, or maybe there's something about not having carbs/fibre with protein?
Note I wasn't trying to lose weight, I was trying to get rid of autoimmune symptoms.
I also feel super good eating only steak and eggs.
Same for the thirst for me. I attribute it to protein spiking my insulin.
from one ketard to another -- much appreciated
Thank you :)
Long live the cream ♥️
After the cream is before the cream
If I do super well on protein/carnivore, would it make sense to reduce it to a single meal, and replacing say my dinner with heavy cream?
If you do super well on it, you might not need to reduce the protein?
Spreading the same protein out over 2 meals vs. combine them in 1, I’m not sure. I’d suspect spread out over 2 might be (slightly) better in terms of protein availability for building tissue? But it might not make a big difference.
If you’re trying to lose weight, yea you could replace 1 meal with heavy cream.
I'm absolutely trying to lose weight - sorry for not mentioning.
In that case, yea, replacing one meat meal w/ cream should help.
Can you share any tips on effective tracking? Did you ever change systems in the last ... decades?
I wrote about it in detail in 2023:
https://www.exfatloss.com/p/losing-weight-with-unix-how-i-track
Wow, 2.5 years ago already!
Great summation of your experiences so far. Makes me a little less embarrassed about my diet. Milk and cream in hot cocoa with a little stevia for breakfast followed by starch and a little fatty meat with a couple shreds of veggie for the rest. Was having issues of the scale inching up around menopause till I started reading Peter D of Hyperlipid and Tucker Goodrich and dumped the seed oils and low fat diet in favor of low carb. Dropped the little extra weight I’d been fighting with, no effort required. And the symptoms of hypoglycemia too. And the sunburn virtually disappeared. Yay! 5 years later carbs no longer bothered me and I could relax my diet. Another 8 years later and I eat all macros as desired with no particular effect on my weight. Only common factor is seed oils. Never again. Those things are poison. If I start to wonder if it’s worth the ridiculous hassle at restaurants I remember the sunburn thing and I’m good. But then I was never exactly overweight. Just a little chubby around the middle and hip back in the day. Been better for a long time. I am grateful for how things worked out.
Interesting! Another anecdote that Randle Cycle/swamping issues are caused by seed oils, and should get fixed in the long run.. hope it’ll be the same for me in a few years :)
Nice work, as per usual!
Yup. By "you" I meant "one"
I did 4 days, and I only brole the fast because I thought it was probably getting unhealthy. I didn't actually feel hungry
What a fascinating account! The metabolic system is complex and subtle, and to use the language of engineering, it has many different operating points. I think this is what confuses people the most.
One thing I would add on the tolerance checking is: how well can you tolerate fasting? I personally can fast with no problems, but it seems to me that most people absolutely cannot tolerate missing even one meal. Partly this will be habits of a lifetime, but I do feel they are physiologically not suited to it.
I have checked that; I can fast 5 days zero issues. But I hit a hard stop evening of day five. Last time w/ vinegar that extended to 6 days.
Random question, but how is stool consistency and frequency on your mostly cream diet? I assume output is much lower. Do you still go daily? Did any of your experiments make digestion worse? Curious how they all differed? Thanks!
Pretty great. I go once or twice every day (I don’t exactly count lol) and it’s very small but comes out easy & is pretty firm.
Most things make my digestion worse compared to this, yes. E.g. potatoes and sweet potatoes I can’t seem to digest at all en masse. They just sit in my stomach forever.
High protein eventually gives me constipation and then diarrhea. Same for super high fiber stuff.
my experience is that kicking seed oils firms up stools and makes you go multiple times/day. I think it's common enough that it's a "sunburn-proof" meme-level phenomenon but people don't talk about it as much because ... stools
I can definitively say that my toilet paper consumption has declined by 80+% since kicking seed oils. And I immediately notice if I get “exposed” at a restaurant or to other junk like dough conditioners
Also, do you supplement electrolytes such as potassium or sodium or magnesium?
No