Would it be possible to simply lose most of your body fat through GLP drugs, and then 'refeed' with a low-linoleic diet afterwards? The GLPs presumably wouldn't change the percentage of linoleic acid in your body fat, but it would change the absolute amount in your body.
> Or I could do some fun, stupid experiments, as I’ve done a few times in the past.
I look forward to an ad-lib fruit, sugar and gummies diet! I kid I kid 🤣
But depending on how this experiment goes it'll be interesting either way, but let's say _if_ your hypothesis is totally correct and can be replicated in other people down the line, then that's kinda sad, because that means your only choice is prevention or wait around a decade to get lean again no matter what you do, with some exceptions like extreme starvation and 8 hours of exercise a day etc which isn't sustainable long term and does cause most people to swing backup anyway.
Well, on the other hand, I was no longer obese relatively quickly, lost tons of weight the first few weeks and months, had better quality of life, it was very easy after trying lots of willpower-based diets over the years, and if it’s really just PUFA, the range of allowable foods is actually pretty big.
So super easy, barely an inconvenience! And if it’s true you were gonna avoid it anyway, it’s just some of the benefits take a few years to show up, but you still get lots the first 6-12 months.
Trouble is, we can't always get those exact same foods nowadays. (e.g. corner bakery now exclusively sources enriched flour that has been sprayed with glyphosate)
I really wish you could like personally "coach and motivate" some obese friends of mine, purely just to see if they could replicate what you've been through but that's likely never going to happen, sadly, haha. A girl can dream!
As even beef has a little linoleic acid in it, is it worth trying a few days fasting after your next refeed to see if you can reach a new atl? I'm assuming that after losing some adipose tissue fasting you would replace it with less linoleic acid on refeeding.
I don’t seem to lose much adipose tissue fasting. Last time I fasted for 6 days, and I don’t seem to have lost any adipose tissue.
I suppose you could do a super aggressive fast/refeed+regain strategy, but you’d probably have to do it for quite some time. As in alternate fast/feast weeks for 3-6 months or something.
Love your writing. Send me a link or info on the specifics of the diet...thought itvwas hamburger pasta sauce and liberal heavy cream and looks like ace in the morning. Refeed of starches e very couple weeks.
Well the "new innovation" is to leave out the pasta sauce entirely, and also supplement 1tbsp ACV per day (I do it via Bragg capsules).
So it is:
- 150g ground beef (burger patties are fine)
- about 80g vegetables for flavor/texture/to soak up the fat
- cooked in butter
Rest is ad lib cream.
I don't even know if the refeeds are necessary, but they are a nice psychological "pop off valve" where I can go crazy and eat whatever I want (as long as it's low PUFA lol) every 30 days.
I think that my "current plateau" at any given time is dictated largely by the amount of linoleic acid stored in my body fat. That is likely not influenced much by the refeeds.
Day to day weight gain/loss is obviously influenced by the refeeds a lot. But when I tried not doing refeeds at all, I just plateaued earlier, so the total weight lost wasn't much different.
That's one of the reasons I still do those binge-style refeeds; both in my practical experience & by my theory of the mechanics behind it, I'm just mostly waiting for PUFA depletion anyway.. so the refeeds just keep me entertained if you will, heh.
Yea I was lucky that there were no immediate “pain” type things, in fact a lot of little pain things I had gotten used to disappeared within weeks. That makes it a lot easier, you don’t have to “push through” pain disappearing :)
It seems to depend on if I'm losing fat, as losing fat intuitively makes me consume less. If weight stable, about 700-800g per day, basically 1.5 pints but rarely a full quart. If losing fat rapidly, typically a pint or a bit less.
Would it be possible to simply lose most of your body fat through GLP drugs, and then 'refeed' with a low-linoleic diet afterwards? The GLPs presumably wouldn't change the percentage of linoleic acid in your body fat, but it would change the absolute amount in your body.
Maybe. If someone wanted to try it, I’d be interested :) But won’t be doing it myself.
Nice post, as usual. My first thought on seeing "PID" was linux process ID. Was expecting to see some kill -9 PID or some such.
ha i contain multitudes (took integrated aka microcontroller programming for a semester)
> Or I could do some fun, stupid experiments, as I’ve done a few times in the past.
I look forward to an ad-lib fruit, sugar and gummies diet! I kid I kid 🤣
But depending on how this experiment goes it'll be interesting either way, but let's say _if_ your hypothesis is totally correct and can be replicated in other people down the line, then that's kinda sad, because that means your only choice is prevention or wait around a decade to get lean again no matter what you do, with some exceptions like extreme starvation and 8 hours of exercise a day etc which isn't sustainable long term and does cause most people to swing backup anyway.
Well, on the other hand, I was no longer obese relatively quickly, lost tons of weight the first few weeks and months, had better quality of life, it was very easy after trying lots of willpower-based diets over the years, and if it’s really just PUFA, the range of allowable foods is actually pretty big.
So super easy, barely an inconvenience! And if it’s true you were gonna avoid it anyway, it’s just some of the benefits take a few years to show up, but you still get lots the first 6-12 months.
Will be posting soon about "the range of allowable foods is actually pretty big"
Almost everything your great-grandparents ate, or any great-grandparents, really!
Trouble is, we can't always get those exact same foods nowadays. (e.g. corner bakery now exclusively sources enriched flour that has been sprayed with glyphosate)
Ah, yes, therein lies the rub.
I really wish you could like personally "coach and motivate" some obese friends of mine, purely just to see if they could replicate what you've been through but that's likely never going to happen, sadly, haha. A girl can dream!
I am a very bad coach. I have zero patience.
Ahahhaa, that'd be perfect for the past me, but I get that's not a thing for a lot of people. 🤣❤️
As even beef has a little linoleic acid in it, is it worth trying a few days fasting after your next refeed to see if you can reach a new atl? I'm assuming that after losing some adipose tissue fasting you would replace it with less linoleic acid on refeeding.
I don’t seem to lose much adipose tissue fasting. Last time I fasted for 6 days, and I don’t seem to have lost any adipose tissue.
I suppose you could do a super aggressive fast/refeed+regain strategy, but you’d probably have to do it for quite some time. As in alternate fast/feast weeks for 3-6 months or something.
Love your writing. Send me a link or info on the specifics of the diet...thought itvwas hamburger pasta sauce and liberal heavy cream and looks like ace in the morning. Refeed of starches e very couple weeks.
Well the "new innovation" is to leave out the pasta sauce entirely, and also supplement 1tbsp ACV per day (I do it via Bragg capsules).
So it is:
- 150g ground beef (burger patties are fine)
- about 80g vegetables for flavor/texture/to soak up the fat
- cooked in butter
Rest is ad lib cream.
I don't even know if the refeeds are necessary, but they are a nice psychological "pop off valve" where I can go crazy and eat whatever I want (as long as it's low PUFA lol) every 30 days.
Do you think the rate of weightloss would change if you never did refeeds?
I'm not entirely sure. It's probably complicated.
I think that my "current plateau" at any given time is dictated largely by the amount of linoleic acid stored in my body fat. That is likely not influenced much by the refeeds.
Day to day weight gain/loss is obviously influenced by the refeeds a lot. But when I tried not doing refeeds at all, I just plateaued earlier, so the total weight lost wasn't much different.
That's one of the reasons I still do those binge-style refeeds; both in my practical experience & by my theory of the mechanics behind it, I'm just mostly waiting for PUFA depletion anyway.. so the refeeds just keep me entertained if you will, heh.
Yea I was lucky that there were no immediate “pain” type things, in fact a lot of little pain things I had gotten used to disappeared within weeks. That makes it a lot easier, you don’t have to “push through” pain disappearing :)
It seems to depend on if I'm losing fat, as losing fat intuitively makes me consume less. If weight stable, about 700-800g per day, basically 1.5 pints but rarely a full quart. If losing fat rapidly, typically a pint or a bit less.