For one, none of those 4 seem to be related to the hyper-palatability of the food? You got walking/other activity, marketing, social norms, and subsidies.
I've seen numbers as high as >4,000kcal/day for sedentary office workers in (IIRC) 1920s NYC. Were they walking to the subway? Probably. But they weren't farmers or anything. Plus, acti…
For one, none of those 4 seem to be related to the hyper-palatability of the food? You got walking/other activity, marketing, social norms, and subsidies.
I've seen numbers as high as >4,000kcal/day for sedentary office workers in (IIRC) 1920s NYC. Were they walking to the subway? Probably. But they weren't farmers or anything. Plus, activity barely seems to have an effect on fat gain/loss. Unless you do pro athlete amounts of it.
Another thing is, this doesn't mesh with my own experience. If all these things are true, I should've never gotten fat to begin with. I've cooked nearly every meal since I turned 18 or 19 or so. I was never a big restaurant guy. I've never owned a TV (for ads).
And, in reverse, how did I just lose 75lbs? Certainly not by being more active (at least for the first 60lbs or so), changing anything about marketing.. if it was really just all these macro factors, there shouldn't be any crazy weight loss stories from doing "one weird thing" type diets, should there?
I appreciate your response - I admit I am privy to very little nutritional data regarding previous generations, if that exists this part of the debate would be settled quickly.
As to your personal experience, doesn't the sour cream/salsa thing at least make you reconsider hyperpalatable food theory? It proves that there are foods out there that tip the body over into binge territory. I share your love of these things (although I usually add mexican food) and have the same phenomena myself. You have successfully avoided the snickers, but ultimately found other foods you can make at home to trigger the exact same overeating response. Therefore, the binge response exists and can be triggered by food alone, food which I content is far more available today, combined with reduced incentives to be in shape.
> I admit I am privy to very little nutritional data regarding previous generations, if that exists this part of the debate would be settled quickly.
We don't have great data, but we have some. People can't even really agree on the data for today - it's hard to accurately describe the habits of 350 million people. Especially 100 years ago.
> Therefore, the binge response exists and can be triggered by food alone, food which I content is far more available today, combined with reduced incentives to be in shape.
The question is, is binging alone enough to create long-term obesity? This is like the "overeating cArOliEs" thing, which I also don't believe in.
We know the body is a somewhat regulated system in that most animals stay in a somewhat narrow range. E.g. a healthy animal will overeat, and then not be hungry for a longer time, or increase metabolic rate/thermogenesis for a while to get rid of all the energy.
Would salsa be able to completely throw off this system? And why only starting in maybe the mid 1800s, accelerating, and now more and more? Plenty of people ate spicy food without getting obese in the past.
For one, none of those 4 seem to be related to the hyper-palatability of the food? You got walking/other activity, marketing, social norms, and subsidies.
I've seen numbers as high as >4,000kcal/day for sedentary office workers in (IIRC) 1920s NYC. Were they walking to the subway? Probably. But they weren't farmers or anything. Plus, activity barely seems to have an effect on fat gain/loss. Unless you do pro athlete amounts of it.
Another thing is, this doesn't mesh with my own experience. If all these things are true, I should've never gotten fat to begin with. I've cooked nearly every meal since I turned 18 or 19 or so. I was never a big restaurant guy. I've never owned a TV (for ads).
And, in reverse, how did I just lose 75lbs? Certainly not by being more active (at least for the first 60lbs or so), changing anything about marketing.. if it was really just all these macro factors, there shouldn't be any crazy weight loss stories from doing "one weird thing" type diets, should there?
I appreciate your response - I admit I am privy to very little nutritional data regarding previous generations, if that exists this part of the debate would be settled quickly.
As to your personal experience, doesn't the sour cream/salsa thing at least make you reconsider hyperpalatable food theory? It proves that there are foods out there that tip the body over into binge territory. I share your love of these things (although I usually add mexican food) and have the same phenomena myself. You have successfully avoided the snickers, but ultimately found other foods you can make at home to trigger the exact same overeating response. Therefore, the binge response exists and can be triggered by food alone, food which I content is far more available today, combined with reduced incentives to be in shape.
> I admit I am privy to very little nutritional data regarding previous generations, if that exists this part of the debate would be settled quickly.
We don't have great data, but we have some. People can't even really agree on the data for today - it's hard to accurately describe the habits of 350 million people. Especially 100 years ago.
> Therefore, the binge response exists and can be triggered by food alone, food which I content is far more available today, combined with reduced incentives to be in shape.
The question is, is binging alone enough to create long-term obesity? This is like the "overeating cArOliEs" thing, which I also don't believe in.
We know the body is a somewhat regulated system in that most animals stay in a somewhat narrow range. E.g. a healthy animal will overeat, and then not be hungry for a longer time, or increase metabolic rate/thermogenesis for a while to get rid of all the energy.
Would salsa be able to completely throw off this system? And why only starting in maybe the mid 1800s, accelerating, and now more and more? Plenty of people ate spicy food without getting obese in the past.