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Kim Nari's avatar

> I can, and have been, full to the point of pain and even vomiting, yet ravenous.

Been there during my binging days, haha. Not fun, by far. I literally am unable to reach this point when eating what I eat now, e.g. meat, veg, even rice with saturated fats. With rice I might overeat (feels like) a bit, but I still don't get to the point I can with ultra-processed where, where I can _easily_ eat to being so full I will almost vomit.

Writing this, I actually cannot get there with just ice cream either (sat fats), but give me linoleic acid filled cakes, cookies etc and it's game on. Two years ago I actually did various food experiments with junk foods, and for a week I could slam down 1Mcal a day for 5 days or so, and I had to stop because I literally couldn't walk at that point due to extreme pain while being bloated on top, lol.

When it comes to my hunger in general, I am quite in tune with my body, assuming I eat non-ultra-processed-foods with saturated fats.

I'll still be hungry even if consume tons of fats, such as consuming 500g of cream in the morning or even more (can at times easily lol), but afterwards I'll straight up be repulsed by fats, yet still salivate over some lean chicken or steak and actively seek it out. Similarly if I eat tons and tons of protein, I'll still be hungry shortly after, but I'll literally eat butter right off the block and avoid any protein whatsoever as I'll be too full to eat any protein, but fats won't be a problem.

So for me it's more of a case of needing both to be in an equilibrium of sorts before I am satiated. How much I eat of each varies greatly, though. There are days where I don't feel like eating much protein and have lots of fats or the exact opposite the next day.

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Harry Lime's avatar

I'm not so sure satiety is an energy feedback system, I would rather consider it a nutrient feedback system, as it acts much quicker than any sensation of energy could transpire to the system. Also if you consume too much energy and aren't in reductive stress, the body would generally handle the excess by itself (hyperactivity, increased body temperature, less or later hunger etc). So it isn't so much that something broke our intake management system, as intake shouldn't matter after all(as long as it doesn't contain some problematic ingredient). I would rather argue something broke the excess energy management system, and thus the only effects are detrimental (eg tiredness, lethargy, even more or sooner hunger). Just finding something that limits your intake isn't fixing that part so much, but can be a good approach to lose weight and then reconsider the options.

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