Very cool! Hope it continues to go well and you get used to the stomach issues, haha.
- 33% is what our heavy cream usually has. I think it's just a naming thing because we also have "half & half" here which is half cream, half milk. Many people colloquially refer to "coffee with cream" but mean half & half or even milk, so heavy crea…
Very cool! Hope it continues to go well and you get used to the stomach issues, haha.
- 33% is what our heavy cream usually has. I think it's just a naming thing because we also have "half & half" here which is half cream, half milk. Many people colloquially refer to "coffee with cream" but mean half & half or even milk, so heavy cream is just used to distinguish it.
- Definitely don't make yourself sick. Upping your fat intake drastically can take some getting used to, so take it easy. I think the gall bladder has to excrete more gall to dissolve all the fat and it could take a few days or even a week or two. Many people have similar issues when they start keto or carnivore.
- "No kind of food sounds appetizing right now" sounds about right, or do you mean because your stomach hurts? :(
- I think you'll be fine if you take it slow with the cream. Maybe you'll be a bit hungrier for a few days. You could also try spacing it out through the day more. E.g. drink 50g every few hours to give your digestive system some time.
- I wrote my own software for the diagrams (and my data tracking). It's kind of a mess and confusing to use, so unfortunately I don't have a great answer for you there except "make your own" ;) If you're adept at spreadsheets I'd build something that way, or if you can write software you could make your own. I don't know of any great off the shelf solutions. The visualization library I'm using is a very popular one called VegaLite.
So take it easy ramping up the cream, even if it takes 1-2 weeks. Don't want you to feel sick haha. And please keep us updated!
Update: Day 6, lost 4kg total, rate still too fast (not complaining). Stomach issues/feeling unwell has gone away. Pondering the idea that there might be faster mixers than my vintage model from the 70s that taxes three minutes to whip cream. Eyeing a Bosch with "FineCreamer" yay.
"No kind of food is appetizing": it's hard to explain. I feel peckish/hungry/something, then imagine different foods (like pizza, chips, chocolate, cake, icecream, sandwich,... ) but don't really want any of that. That's unusual. (Made myself some cream and the feeling went away.) I really have no language (or sense) of "not hungry", I used to eat as long as there is something in front of me. If I'n not eaither ravenous or completely stuffed i'm in a "well I could eat something" feeling.
Apropos the software: I expected something like that. I just find it strange that after all these years the Quantified Self community seems not to have come up with something to track and visualize your data. Maybe I just didn't find it. I don't like the idea of writing something myself that should already exist because lots of people probably have the exact same ideas/needs/requirements. And I would very much like some kind of standard file format (that is still useful in ten years) to put data (measurements, events) in. How do you organize your files?
Thank you for reminding me of the existance of this luxurious product which I completely dismissed at first due to not living a sufficient posh lifestyle. Turns out they are not that expensive (single use metal cardridges feel wasteful though). My kitchen now features Whipped Cream On Tap.
Which is great, because I do not like whipped cream very much anymore (never expected that to happen) so I didn't whip up any in the last days. Fresh from the spout it's fine though, because small amounts are possible and take literally zero effort now.
Otherwise, I'm mostly on track. Noticed a few days ago I was craving salt, so I am adding that liberally now. Weight shot up, hopefully water because of the salt, seems to be going down again.
Turns out warm salted butter tastes great, so I easily replaced the whipped cream calories with butter calories. And by easily I mean exceedingly. I now try not to go over 3000kcal daily although I could drink the stuff. Let's see how that goes, the energy has to go somewhere, or not?
Haha, hot salty butter diet coming up next, then? ;)
I agree that the salt probably just increased your water retention a bit. Should be a plateau effect and you should lose again thereafter.
I do switch between just plain heavy cream and heavy cream with instant coffee powder, so maybe, just on a psychological/monotony level, having 2 options is better.
Btw I recommend NO SWEETENERS, even non-caloric "natural" ones. I just quit a trial because monk fruit in my heavy cream made me bloated and gain weight.
So it's a whole cartridge just for 1 portion of cream? Wow. Still ordered one though ;)
It's one cartridge (8g N₂O costing ~50ct) per 500ml cream, which is the maximum amout you can put in. So it's less then 10% of the cream cost.
Once the cream is pressurised you can remove the empty cardridge, but obviously not open the bottle for refills before it's empty without loosing pressure. So you commit 500ml cream at a time (obvs not a problem with your regime) of which you can spray out how much whenever you want. It should stay fresh in the fridge for several days.
Thanks for the update! If you hit a reasonable milestone where you think it makes sense (e.g. 14 or 30 days?) would you be up to sharing your numbers and experience? Would love to see if it works for somebody else :)
Your mixer might be fine. I have some cheapo Chinese knockoff immersion blender from Amazon and it also takes about 1-2 minutes. I've never timed it, I just stand there holding it, thinking of something else lol.
The feeling you describe is exactly what I believe satiety should feel like. It's just that people like us never knew the feeling ;)
Last night I made some heavy cream and easily finished it. So I thought: I should make some more. And I made a whole new serving and put it in the fridge and promptly forgot about it.
Later I took it out, took it to my computer and it sat next to me for 30 minutes before I realized I wasn't going to be able to eat it. So I put it back in the fridge, where it is now.
That's a crazy story for anyone who's never, ever walked past food without thinking "I could eat that right now" ;)
On the software I have come to nearly the opposite conclusion. I think it's so varied and needs are so different. That's why there hasn't emerged one system. I myself have different systems. E.g. I have one for daily values (weight, waist circumference, wake up time) and one for my CGM (hundreds of data points per day).
As format I use JSON internally and the CGM data comes in CSV, I think those will be around a while. I have 1 big JSON file containing ALL my daily values ever (about 10 years now) and one for all my CGM. The latter obviously fills up faster, but I only started it around 4-5 months ago when I got the CGM.
I just looked through my daily weighings (started the habit when I tried Atkins 20 years ago): there are several episodes where I forced myself to loose weigth. They all end after four to six weeks. Maybe I'm in the pattern again. Your post about Diet Success suggests maybe not though.
So conclusions after 14 or 30 days would probably be too optimistic. Still I'd love to keep you posted and share my (interim) results!
Thanks for your thoughts on the software front. Can you share a bit about the CGM? Esp. logistics as a (non-diabetic) private/self payer: how to get one, costs, how you found out about possible future models with sensor fors ketones. Providers are keeping quiet with that information online, possibly because their (paying) customers are health insurance companies and not end users.
Interesting about your 4-6 week pattern. That's definitely something to watch out for. I suppose you can evaluate once at 30 days ("did it work/how much/how'd I feel") and if it was good you can continue, possibly after a few days of refeed, and do another 30 days. If 2x 30 days is still good then it's not "the pattern."
If you do refeed I recommend not going crazy and still mostly sticking to whole foods. I've made myself pretty sick by binging (probably a psychological thing) between experiments and ended up feeling terrible :)
On the CGM: I'm planning on posting a pretty extensive post about my CGM experience this weekend, so you're in luck!
Hey,
Very cool! Hope it continues to go well and you get used to the stomach issues, haha.
- 33% is what our heavy cream usually has. I think it's just a naming thing because we also have "half & half" here which is half cream, half milk. Many people colloquially refer to "coffee with cream" but mean half & half or even milk, so heavy cream is just used to distinguish it.
- Definitely don't make yourself sick. Upping your fat intake drastically can take some getting used to, so take it easy. I think the gall bladder has to excrete more gall to dissolve all the fat and it could take a few days or even a week or two. Many people have similar issues when they start keto or carnivore.
- "No kind of food sounds appetizing right now" sounds about right, or do you mean because your stomach hurts? :(
- I think you'll be fine if you take it slow with the cream. Maybe you'll be a bit hungrier for a few days. You could also try spacing it out through the day more. E.g. drink 50g every few hours to give your digestive system some time.
- I wrote my own software for the diagrams (and my data tracking). It's kind of a mess and confusing to use, so unfortunately I don't have a great answer for you there except "make your own" ;) If you're adept at spreadsheets I'd build something that way, or if you can write software you could make your own. I don't know of any great off the shelf solutions. The visualization library I'm using is a very popular one called VegaLite.
So take it easy ramping up the cream, even if it takes 1-2 weeks. Don't want you to feel sick haha. And please keep us updated!
Hi, thanks for you reply and tips!
Update: Day 6, lost 4kg total, rate still too fast (not complaining). Stomach issues/feeling unwell has gone away. Pondering the idea that there might be faster mixers than my vintage model from the 70s that taxes three minutes to whip cream. Eyeing a Bosch with "FineCreamer" yay.
"No kind of food is appetizing": it's hard to explain. I feel peckish/hungry/something, then imagine different foods (like pizza, chips, chocolate, cake, icecream, sandwich,... ) but don't really want any of that. That's unusual. (Made myself some cream and the feeling went away.) I really have no language (or sense) of "not hungry", I used to eat as long as there is something in front of me. If I'n not eaither ravenous or completely stuffed i'm in a "well I could eat something" feeling.
Apropos the software: I expected something like that. I just find it strange that after all these years the Quantified Self community seems not to have come up with something to track and visualize your data. Maybe I just didn't find it. I don't like the idea of writing something myself that should already exist because lots of people probably have the exact same ideas/needs/requirements. And I would very much like some kind of standard file format (that is still useful in ten years) to put data (measurements, events) in. How do you organize your files?
> faster mixers than my vintage model
Try a cream whipping siphon! These are produced by ISI, Hendi, and others, they whip your cream instantly via a nitrogen cartridge.
Representative example:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Whipped-Cream-Profisahnespender-0-5-L/dp/B00IIT2A94/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2Y2BKLQPLTWU&keywords=hendi+0%2C5+l&qid=1682006783&s=kitchen&sprefix=hendi+0.5l%2Ckitchen%2C84&sr=1-3
And definitely keep us updated with progress/results, this is super interesting!
Thank you for reminding me of the existance of this luxurious product which I completely dismissed at first due to not living a sufficient posh lifestyle. Turns out they are not that expensive (single use metal cardridges feel wasteful though). My kitchen now features Whipped Cream On Tap.
Which is great, because I do not like whipped cream very much anymore (never expected that to happen) so I didn't whip up any in the last days. Fresh from the spout it's fine though, because small amounts are possible and take literally zero effort now.
Otherwise, I'm mostly on track. Noticed a few days ago I was craving salt, so I am adding that liberally now. Weight shot up, hopefully water because of the salt, seems to be going down again.
Turns out warm salted butter tastes great, so I easily replaced the whipped cream calories with butter calories. And by easily I mean exceedingly. I now try not to go over 3000kcal daily although I could drink the stuff. Let's see how that goes, the energy has to go somewhere, or not?
Haha, hot salty butter diet coming up next, then? ;)
I agree that the salt probably just increased your water retention a bit. Should be a plateau effect and you should lose again thereafter.
I do switch between just plain heavy cream and heavy cream with instant coffee powder, so maybe, just on a psychological/monotony level, having 2 options is better.
Btw I recommend NO SWEETENERS, even non-caloric "natural" ones. I just quit a trial because monk fruit in my heavy cream made me bloated and gain weight.
So it's a whole cartridge just for 1 portion of cream? Wow. Still ordered one though ;)
It's one cartridge (8g N₂O costing ~50ct) per 500ml cream, which is the maximum amout you can put in. So it's less then 10% of the cream cost.
Once the cream is pressurised you can remove the empty cardridge, but obviously not open the bottle for refills before it's empty without loosing pressure. So you commit 500ml cream at a time (obvs not a problem with your regime) of which you can spray out how much whenever you want. It should stay fresh in the fridge for several days.
Ok, got it. I've ordered one. Can't wait to try it :D
Huh wow :D That's pretty advanced. How often do you have to change the cartridge?
Thanks for the update! If you hit a reasonable milestone where you think it makes sense (e.g. 14 or 30 days?) would you be up to sharing your numbers and experience? Would love to see if it works for somebody else :)
Your mixer might be fine. I have some cheapo Chinese knockoff immersion blender from Amazon and it also takes about 1-2 minutes. I've never timed it, I just stand there holding it, thinking of something else lol.
The feeling you describe is exactly what I believe satiety should feel like. It's just that people like us never knew the feeling ;)
Last night I made some heavy cream and easily finished it. So I thought: I should make some more. And I made a whole new serving and put it in the fridge and promptly forgot about it.
Later I took it out, took it to my computer and it sat next to me for 30 minutes before I realized I wasn't going to be able to eat it. So I put it back in the fridge, where it is now.
That's a crazy story for anyone who's never, ever walked past food without thinking "I could eat that right now" ;)
On the software I have come to nearly the opposite conclusion. I think it's so varied and needs are so different. That's why there hasn't emerged one system. I myself have different systems. E.g. I have one for daily values (weight, waist circumference, wake up time) and one for my CGM (hundreds of data points per day).
As format I use JSON internally and the CGM data comes in CSV, I think those will be around a while. I have 1 big JSON file containing ALL my daily values ever (about 10 years now) and one for all my CGM. The latter obviously fills up faster, but I only started it around 4-5 months ago when I got the CGM.
Update day 7: Provisionally keeping the mixer :-)
I just looked through my daily weighings (started the habit when I tried Atkins 20 years ago): there are several episodes where I forced myself to loose weigth. They all end after four to six weeks. Maybe I'm in the pattern again. Your post about Diet Success suggests maybe not though.
So conclusions after 14 or 30 days would probably be too optimistic. Still I'd love to keep you posted and share my (interim) results!
Thanks for your thoughts on the software front. Can you share a bit about the CGM? Esp. logistics as a (non-diabetic) private/self payer: how to get one, costs, how you found out about possible future models with sensor fors ketones. Providers are keeping quiet with that information online, possibly because their (paying) customers are health insurance companies and not end users.
Interesting about your 4-6 week pattern. That's definitely something to watch out for. I suppose you can evaluate once at 30 days ("did it work/how much/how'd I feel") and if it was good you can continue, possibly after a few days of refeed, and do another 30 days. If 2x 30 days is still good then it's not "the pattern."
If you do refeed I recommend not going crazy and still mostly sticking to whole foods. I've made myself pretty sick by binging (probably a psychological thing) between experiments and ended up feeling terrible :)
On the CGM: I'm planning on posting a pretty extensive post about my CGM experience this weekend, so you're in luck!